Dharma Practice. Example conversation took place on facebook

Ozay Rinpoche giving instructions for the coming conversation:

@all
To start with; always speak the truth, no polishing egos even if it upsets apple carts, then observe yourself as you write, then, observe yourself when there is reaction back, you will likely make lots of reaction by others, and there will be instinctive reactions in yourself, fight and flight mechanisms etc.

Always be honest how you feel and about who you have become, always be true about what you see in others as flaws, they will be more than honest about your flaws, this Dharma is only for the courageous



If you are not working well with this Dharma then you will be taken by the instincts of ego, which means your reactions will be unintelligent, your reasoning faculty and higher mind will hit the floor.

But, if you are successful then you will not be touched by negative reaction of others, YOU WILL NOT BE TAKEN BY YOUR ANGER HATE JEALOUSY RESENTMENTS, YOUR DUAL NATURE WILL EVENTUALLY MELT AWAY, the fight and flight biological reactions will participate less thus you become more in control of your life and your health.

The more you practice the better you become.

This keeping one eye in and one eye out will over flow eventually to ordinary life, self awareness eventually will lead to blissful states this is purifying yourself to reach higher level of realisation.

Of course there is a lot more to it than I can explain in one post, but you get the basics I guess.

Responds of Ahiranta:

@all
Yes speaking truth in all situations is not easy without seeing peoples feeling being hurt by what has been said.

For example, we just had to spend 2 days with people who live life in a totally different way that we do. They talk and talk to spend time with you.

Moments of silence are experienced as a threat, something that need to be avoided at all costs. Listening with interest is after a few hours becoming very difficult and hard work especially when you know that Ozay and I are used to being in silent most of the day, meaning not talking outwardly, of course mind is not silent every moment during each day,

Still, having to listen to each detail of a visit to a shop and I mean each detail from which shoes were on their feet, to the number of bikes parked outside the shop, to the amount of people standing in line, including what they were wearing. All the talk was about describing things like that. Nothing else was ever spoken about!

Interesting opportunity to observe self within such situation, but do we tell them in that moment the truth? That what they are talking about is of no importance to us. What does it say about them? Nothing really does it now. It is saying something about me, that I judge this interesting, and not that what they talk about. It say's something about me that I judge them as talking about a lot of rubbish.

What does it say about me, it shows me that I am in dual mind.

Therefore, let us go the moment I become aware of not being interested in whatever they have to say. I do not speak aloud what I think or feel because that has nothing to do with the truth.
If I would say that they are boring my brains out, it is not a truth, it is a judgement. If I would say, I am judging you because I think I know better things to talk about, better day; what I think are better things to talk about, I am totally wrong in doing so, then yes that would be the truth.

Still would that help them? No it would hurt them without giving them anything, not that we can give another anything, but that is another matter. Therefore truth we are talking about is truth from self, from inner being, not from judgemental mind which produces remarks like:
• I like this,
• you do this wrong,
• I can do that better then you,
• you do not know what you are talking about.
• You, you, you,
instead of taking myself as an example and saying;
• I have experienced this within myself,
• or I have come to see this. etc

Speaking truth forces you to examine all motives behind all you are saying which is a very good way of letting go of attachments to ideas, believes, concepts but also attachment to identity, another person, possessions etc no longer afraid to be seen as a good person only, as a pretty woman or man, a spiritual, wise, sweet, attractive,,....etc.

When we speak truth, focus should closely stay on self because when we come to know self we will know the other in the same moment. Truth will start flowing on its own accord.

As someone said: Buddha had a great answer when some disciple asked: How come you answered the same question in many different ways?

What is the right answer, or remark, in one moment, can be the wrong answer in the next moment, for the next person. That does not mean that Buddha was lying in any form or shape. That does not mean the Buddha did not no truth. Buddha knew self, realized self, and by that he knew straight away were each individual before him stood within his development within mind.

So speaking truth is nothing else then speaking from inner wisdom. Which means that many people will become a lot more quiet.


Responds of Ruchi

@Ahiranta
Hi! What are you saying in the situation... somehow I did not come across reading ... can you help out - what truth did you speak?

Responds of Ahiranta

@ Ruchi
Nothing much. We mostly listen. Most people only talk to be heard, not to listen to what someone else has to say. It is the same in the example I described.

The people I took as an example exist while especially the female, talks. They do not really need you to say anything. The male do asks some questions so now and then but most of the time is interrupted by his wife. This couple is living together for almost 40 years and have developed a routine, so he just leans back and listens as well. So the answer is, we do not say much, we do not preach that there is more to live because they did not ask us too, we do not try to change them, we just accept them as they are, and keep focus on self increasing awareness, which creates love instead of judgement for the so called others.

Responds of .Ruchi

@all
yes, or upset the applecart and create disturbance and upset. Something I try to grow out of.

There are different ways of sharing and expressing ours self that are more empathic...to stay with your feelings and share ... but people get angry at that too...
And yes, you don't want to exclude anyone, but they exclude themselves! It is hard - it's a lonely world for me.

Responds of Annette

@all
Maybe it is not about "fitting in" Ruchi.

Maybe it is a matter of not excluding anyone, exclusivity is something that I'm still contemplating - whether we can really exclude anyone.

Then again, there is great value in who we surround ourselves with, and if the aura is not intact, we can absorb energies of those around us.

When I am undecided on issues like these, I come back to "intention" - as long as we don not see any person as less important or inferior to us in any way. There are so many fine nuances to this journey of the soul! But on this earthly level, much talking around my ears can make that I want to run and scream.


Responds of Ahiranta

@all
Yes, Annette spot on.

Mind wants to run in given example, heart stays in peace and full acceptance of created situation.

Beautiful example is a Buddhist story about a monk sitting on his mountain for a very long period. He has no contact with other human beings and food was left for him on a certain place for him to collect when hungry.

He reached high levels of peace, bliss, and silence. One day he decides to go back down the mountain into the village. He had become so peaceful, so silent, through his spiritual practice high up that mountain away from all influences.

Entering the village he sees that there is a market and he decides to have a look.

Within 5 minutes he finds himself screaming to someone who walked into him hurting his feed. All peace he felt on top of the mountain was lost, all silence had evaporated within a split second. No mastering of self had taken place, no realization of self had taken place all awareness was lost on one split second.

We have to practice, expose our self to all sorts of stimulus to test, to practice, to observe, to do active meditation.

We have to retract into solitude as well, to absorb, to ponder, contemplate, meditate and travel within to, and become our inner silence.

When we be inner silence while on the market place we have come a long way.


Responds of Ruchi

@Annette
What u mean with intention, can u say a bit more.

Editor remark; so far no responds to Ruchi’s question.

Responds of Ahiranta to Ruchi earlier remark; “it's a lonely world for me.”

@all
If it is a lonely world for you that mean that, you still see them and you as separate! When you come to see from your inner source, which is were wisdom awaits you, you come to experience that you are surrounded by loving souls, you see through the outside packaging and connect with each one without them consciously knowing this.

My whole point is, that most people think they speak the truth but they do not. They ventilate judgements, opinions, believes, ideas, moralistic rules etc.

No ego likes “to be told”. NO EGO LIKES “TO BE TOLD!” Including my own.
Becoming is the way that is the less threatening to ego's.
Becoming here meaning; BEING.

Dangerous the uses of words, because if I would say: BE THE EXAMPLE! That would make the ego feel superior which we not want to do.

What helped me tremendously is LISTENING MEDITATION. That has truly increased my awareness in many folds. In addition, what is inner will influence what is outer. Moreover, as Annette said energy surrounding a solid physical form will influence this solid physical form from all directions. However, when we are able to be fluid, all energy just flows into each other without any ownership, while our consciousness, total awareness just observes.

Before I started my inner work with guidance of Ozay, I was just like you Ruchi. I felt an outsider; the world was a lonely place. I felt I did not fit in anywhere; I was an alien without knowing why? I thought for decades that there was something wrong with me. Others seemed to be fitting in just fine. I mostly felt a duck in a swans nest.

That has changed. I went from duck in a swan’s nest, to thinking to be a swan in a duck's nest, which is just as bad, only to arrive in this moment in which I have become all I see around me, meaning that I fit in into any given situation. Meaning, no longer lonely at all.

This I wish for every one, this is the reason why I take the effort to use the computer and share words in the hope that those who are searching as I did will hear, recognize, and start walking inward just like I did before them.

Responds of.Ruchi

@Ahiranta
Thanks. I have mixed responses to your mail, which I will share later, need to get some things done now.

Responds of Ozay Rinpoche

@all
When we apply our lives for other people’s ego, (Mind, personality, Identity) and make room for their variation so that we do not upset them, our lives become like walking on a tightrope, or like living in a prison. The lack of freedom of expression, the expression of our soul can only happen when it is in truth, that soul expression is love.

For many they have been in this prison for so long, institutionalised, not even knowing the prison they live in, for most do not know there is a better world the world of your liberation.

The ego makes it like the tight rope when in company of others: do not say this or they will get upset do not say that or they will think this of me, do not hurt their feelings etc.

We become prisoners of ego, not as free as we should be, not only this we breed even more evil in the world, by conforming to this behaviour as everyone today has.

People need correction as-well as children, the criminals are not the only ones locked behind prison bars and walls, they are in our homes in our families, and they are our sweet grandparents, our parents, our brothers, sisters and friends.

Only people who are ready to make the effort are those who have suffered enough, wish to find an answer ending this suffering, ending being the ball in the wind.

If you do this with people who are not ready, you can cause them irreparable damage. On the other hand, you have chosen to do this dharma practice consciously while they are still living in ignorance, therefore they are always in danger of more suffering than you and also an increased chance of cancers, heart disease, stroke etc ending their physical form, ending their chance of reaching liberation within this life time.

That is why this Dharma practice should only be done with people who come to the Dharma practice on their own accord. The ego is the cause of all kinds of disharmony, both inside the person biologically and outside into the world, lust for power, self-importance, recognition, greed, arrogance, pride and WAR.

Without ego, we would not live such short lives. Many of the illnesses associated with death will cease to be. They are there as a direct result of the unnatural tendency of mind, ego, personality, identity, identifying to create the untruths we are living with. This imbalance of ego causes anger hate resentments jealousies hurt feelings all kinds of unnatural phenomena for the animal that calls himself the highest amongst gods creation can also reach the lowest because of the law of polarity, right now man is the lowest animal because of ego.

Yet ego is the cause of its own demise, anything that is unnatural, as the ego so shall the universal law put back into balance that which is incorrect. That is why everyone eventually takes on suffering until they reach enlightenment. This Dharma practice is just a fast forward for your evolution.

Who is brave enough, who is courageous enough, only warrior class may attend.


Responds of Ahiranta

@all
Attending!

Responds of Annette

@all
Spot on right back at you Ozay, there is the test, silence in the midst of chaos, a great way to gauge! A method I have developed is to tell myself that if I decide to be in company, then I must be there, fully and totally. It is also a way of respecting the people I am with. They deserve our full attention. Everyone deserves our full attention. Maybe one reaches a stage where we do not even consider "pleasant" or "unpleasant" does not even enter into the equation - "equal vision" - to look upon living beings with the "same eyes".

I have a long way to go, but the witness is observing at least. I play like this: Annette = small ego self. My spiritual name Durga = Divine Self.

Durga watches Annette, all the time, and Annette is ridiculous!

Responds of Ruchi

@Ozay
“So why did you not confirm what I said then Rinpoche?”

“About upsetting people: why do you not relating to me?”
“Why this long discourse of words that I know and heard more then a 1000 times from an enlightened one directly?”
Responds of Ahiranta

@all
“Why the need to control, how the other should relate to you?”

“Why the need to determine what the other should or should not say, how long or short their answer should or should not be?”

“Do you think that written words are only meant to serve one personality?”

“Why the need for conformation?”

“Why if you truly know can you not see what is being transmitted?”

“Why do you not see after you have had so many words already from an enlightened one directly?”

“Why are you here?”

“Have you forgotten that you came here to do Dharma practice?”

“Do you not see that all words written may wake someone up?”

“Do you not see that all words written are not for one person but for all?”

“Why do you need someone to relate to you? are you not the same as all others?”

“Why should writing by short? To please you? Making that you can cramp into your day as much stimulation, as much so called important work as you have in mind?”

Many questions are there not.

You do not need to answer any of them for me,

I do not need your answer,

I already know the answers to all the questions above already been answered by me, making me see you because I am just like you.

If your ego still needs to answer them answer them for yourself, you do not need to feel as if you need to defend yourself in any way or form, because that which you might defend is not worth defending.


Responds of Ozay Rinpoche

@ Ruchi. Because this discourse is not just for you Ruchi, it is for others also. If you speak truth, you speak truth, simple, no need for approval, it just "IS" it is only the ego that wishes to be identified with the words it has spoken, it wishes to identify to those words, real truth is freedom from all of this.

@all
When one holds something in the right hand tightly, one thinks this belongs to him or her because of the tension, in truth, that which you hold also holds you; (PRISONER)

Any tension in the body will be a clue towards something, which you hold onto psychologically in this way.

Keep one eye inside and one eye outside, SELF OBSERVATION IS DHARMA.

Responds of .Ruchi

@Ahiranta
Hi nice to meet you here, will share with you later or try to :-)

Responds of Ahiranta

@Ruchi
Ruchi says: "Hi Ahiranta, nice to meet you here, will share with you later or try to :-)"

Beautiful example of how people sweeten their words. Truth spoken lies underneath hidden for most people. What has not been said in words here, but is visible to those who know self is: I am not talking to you Ahiranta!! I want Ozay’s attention! I want to flex my muscles with Ozay! I will deal with you later on and give you some peace of my mind about what I think of you! Now leave me alone, and let me get what I want from Ozay!"

Why do I know this? I did all that myself, and sometimes in unguarded moments still do.

Another thing, which becomes clear when one knows self, is that Ruchi lives from division. This belongs here, and that belongs there. We all divide things into boxes so that we can keep control and make sense of the world through our mind. By doing so we turn people into things, things are easier to control.

People, being things is not far from the truth. Unreal, unrealized people are nothing more then mechanical things.

Truth: Hi, Ruchi I see you.

Responds of Ruchi

@Ozay Rinpoche
Ozay, I do want approval.

I also know the state when you are free from it, as you say, do you feel any tension in the body right now? I do. See you later :-)

Responds of Ozay Rinpoche

@Ruchi Every time we make response there will be tension in the body.

Thought = tension.

The tension produced from ego, emotions are not productive for your over all health this is why we are here to learn to live life in a different way.

There is no one here who is going to give you approval or disapproval again this is an egoistical response coming from your ego, which not seen by your awareness.

Ego runs away from situations. It is a defence mechanism, it wishes to cause damage and run, or it has inflicted damage and runs, being free of ego one wishes to stay and learn more about ones own inner truth.


Responds of Ozay Rinpoche

@all
Annette in theory it works but in action I have found it is difficult to put in practice, for instance you are in company of others and they talk, talk, and talk all the time, they miss everything.

For most people like to listen to themselves and are gratified to think others take notice, my strategy was to silence my mind, be still be present, but the ego needs to know it has your attention.

Therefore, a compassionate act is to listen to every word intensely so that you can nod your head at the right time, say yes at the right time and no at the right time. Just like Annette said earlier to be present with your whole being.

Trouble is when I went silent inside I heard nothing, suddenly I am prompted by facial expressions to make response, often I make right response while on occasion I get it badly wrong. It is a good thing Bianca is sharp witted she bales me out with humour, often!

When you are with people all day, not just a couple of hours, and you have to listen closely, this becomes as much an energy drain for you; if not more of an energy drain for you; than it is for them. Ahiranta and I did work strategies out in order to save this energy; we used our grandson Bobby, who was also present, a lot as a diversion tactic. His innocence and pure mind would recharge us.

If you sit and read a book eventually, it will tire you out. It takes energy, when you sit with people all day who also need attention. This will tire you if you do not have ways to recharge, i.e. stilling at every opportunity in between the gaps, but this takes skill.


Responds of.Aashan Sajangurukkal

@all
hmmm means
his(h)
method(m)
master(m)
methodology(m)

his = Ozay

Responds of Ozay Rinpoche

@Aashan Sajangurukkal
Good morning Aashan how are you today. Nice to see you my Great friend.


Responds of Ahiranta
@Aashan Sajangurukkal
Yes, Aashan that is good one!
hmmm
his(h)
method(m)
master(m)
methodology(m)

h = Aashan Sajangurukkal

Responds of Aashan Sajangurukkal

@Ozay Rinpoche.
Me too very happy to hear you through our words

Responds of Aashan Sajangurukkal
@Ahiranta
I mean this methodology (note of editor: Dharma practice).
I respect this methodology of Ozay and Ahiranta.

(note of editor: Aashan copied and pasted words written by Ozay somewhere else here)
“Within Dharma practice to start with; always speak the truth, no polishing egos even if it upsets apple carts, then observe yourself as you write, then, observe yourself when there is reaction back, you will likely make lots of reaction by others, and there will be instinctive reactions in yourself, fight and flight mechanisms etc” Ozay Rinpoche

Responds of Ahiranta

@Aashan Sajangurukkal
Yes, exactly spot on Aashan!
Exactly when still, truth will flow on own accord, when not still I will be disturb and start talking a lot of crap from the mind

(Note of editor: to make reading a bit easier an earlier responds of first Ruchi followed by Ahiranta is copy and pasted because the thread continues here)
Responds of Ruchi

@Ozay
“So why did you not confirm what I said then Rinpoche?”

“About upsetting people: why do you not relating to me?”
“Why this long discourse of words that I know and heard more then a 1000 times from an enlightened one directly?”
Responds of Ahiranta

@all
“Why the need to control, how the other should relate to you?”

“Why the need to determine what the other should or should not say, how long or short their answer should or should not be?”

“Do you think that written words are only meant to serve one personality?”

“Why the need for conformation?”

“Why if you truly know can you not see what is being transmitted?”

“Why do you not see after you have had so many words already from an enlightened one directly?”

“Why are you here?”

“Have you forgotten that you came here to do Dharma practice?”

“Do you not see that all words written may wake someone up?”

“Do you not see that all words written are not for one person but for all?”

“Why do you need someone to relate to you? are you not the same as all others?”

“Why should writing by short? To please you? Making that you can cramp into your day as much stimulation, as much so called important work as you have in mind?”

Many questions are there not.

You do not need to answer any of them for me,

I do not need your answer,

I already know the answers to all the questions above already been answered by me, making me see you because I am just like you.

If your ego still needs to answer them answer them for yourself, you do not need to feel as if you need to defend yourself in any way or form, because that which you might defend is not worth defending.


Responds of Ruchi
@Ahiranta
Hi Ahiranta, first, it is your interpretation
Second, there is nothing wrong with it even if it where true.
(Referring to me sweeten my words and motives)
I also see a lot of ego strengthening exercise in your talks Ahiranta that both you and Ozay preach to drop and quit nasty you get which in your idea is 'speaking the truth' - or upsetting the applecart. At the same time, preaching.

If truth would be so easy to speak, if truth would be such a simple thing, just to speak;
Ahiranta you have just divided yourself you say: “Ruchi does this, and you Ahiranta do not!”

You, Ahiranta are saying that you only do it sometimes now. If you were over it, you would have found a different way to share.

Nice control trips your doing here yourself, projecting it all on me, ping-pong.

Sure the pong is to come back, pong, pong, pong, pong.

Crystal-clear ha-ha hey but you did manage to involve me in that bullshit!

Responds of .Ahiranta
@Ruchi
Hurt, ego-reaction

Responds of Ruchi

@Ahiranta
Defended ego-reaction, pong-pong sweetheart :-)))

Responds of Ahiranta

@Ruchi.@all
I have played that game myself for many years. When we can not understand that which we are fighting is our self while holding on to our believes, convictions, etc we start saying back what the other is saying to get under their skin.....like children do....I see a star....I see a star....I go home....I go home....you have chosen the words ping-pong hahahaha

Obviously, by what has been said, you feel hurt, lectured, preached, and pushed down as not knowing. Your reaction shows that you did not like what I said, thinking I should not have said what I said. You have forgotten yourself. Forgotten that you came here to travel within your self; participating in the Dharma practice; to TRAVEL inside of you! The words written which disturbed you use them to TRAVEL to the source within you keep the focus on you instead of making the choice to focus on me.

While anyone writes , I keep focus on me not on you. I talk about you, I talk at you, I converse with you, but while doing that I keep focus on me. I am not the source of your disturbance that source lies in you. I am just a tool a mirror.

This is NOT an ego-polishing place. This is the place where we practice Dharma. If you need to be told your a good person, you are very beautiful person, your kind, your smart, you this ...you that... that is not going to happen, although, all those things are present in all.

This is about how you react to others. How others have control over your feelings. I upset you and you could do nothing about that except by trying to win some ground back in some way or form. Instead of keeping your eye on yourself and free yourself of the power others hold over you.

A ball in the wind that is what you become the moment the ego is unchecked. Everybody on this planet has the option to hurt you when you are in that state of mind..

@Ruchi.
Now you are going to tell me that there were no emotions stirred within you?

Responds of Ozay Rinpoche

@Ruchi.
Good morning Ruchi nice to see you here, glad you came back. (Editors note, following day)

HERE IS MY SERMON FOR YOU FROM MOUNT OF OLIVES TODAY:

You negative response on "preaching" will be my focus, I think most of your other stuff Ahiranta will address for you as you were talking mostly to Ahiranta.

Your negative response "Preaching" has little values when you consider it is only there, invented as a defence mechanism to shut down other egos.

A tactical ploy, your reaction about us preaching, is just a sentence, created to gain power and out wit, the other ego. In truth, preaching sermons is a good thing so long as the people who preach are self-aware, just like Jesus, Buddha, Osho etc some people are qualified to preach and some are not. You can rest assured I am also qualified.

@all
Those who preach truth are only listened too, by true seekers. The ones who do not accept truth because it comes from other people have ulterior motives in not accepting, I will explain what I mean.

Preaching today does cause a lot of "jealousy" amongst many people. Why is this? Everyone’s ego wishes; “to be seen as all knowing"

"IDENTIFYING"(personality ego) with what has been said as a personal attack otherwise what need is there to make negative comment, when all one has to do is delete, or not read? There is always cause to every effect.

Therefore, when a truly realised one, or an enlightened one, turns up and speaks; a jealous person will try to undermine everything the realised person speaks of. Again, the proof of ulterior motive lies in the actions because it is so easy to delete what someone else says, but rather than deleting the energy within you is driven by a need for recognition by the other (Jealousy) thereby; undermining truth; with the desire to achieve superiority; this happens in all kinds of relationships.

There is no respect for the truth, only a respect for one own ego and jealousy has become the driving force.

The demon jealousy has many masks but all are easy to see by one who is self aware, or if you learn to stand back and observe yourself in this play that is unfolding.

If you go look at some of the discussion, in this case on Facebook, while you stand back objectively "OBSERVING" what is going on, you will see that people are too afraid to speak about what is in "THEMSELVES" apart from rehearsed stuff they have read from books. They need these books as proof to themselves and others that they are not talking rubbish, they know unconsciously that all they know from mind is rubbish, while at the same time being frightened to look deep within themselves, frightened to find even more rubbish, not knowing that they would become truth, to see truth. How can you grow spiritually when it is like this with you?

ARE YOU REALLY JUST A BOOK?

There is no understanding of the "TRUE SELF” that is why such demons expressed in emotions like JEALOUSY win the day and run peoples lives until the day they die. They have not "LOOKED INTO SELF, the fear of hurting ego makes that they become stagnant.

Go, look at the discussions on the net, most of them are along the lines of ego polishing ....Oh your really nice.......That is just brilliant of you...........You are such a great person......You are so wise and wonderful etc.

If we are not polishing each other’s egos, by the way, your ego is your worse enemy; you get a situation where we are trying to break each others ego. I will tell you the better situation out of the two is the last one, better beat shit into ego than allow this cancer to grow even deeper into our being.

You fight to maintain an illusion you have been creating all of your life. It is a non-reality, why fight for that which is not real? You do, and you make it into a reality by giving yourself ill health and early death of yet another body.

It is a good thing that your mother and father enjoys sex otherwise you would be committing a great sin to put your parents through your childbirth just so you could wreck your body due to ego.

Responds of.Ruchi

@Ozay Rinpoche and Ahiranta. ////


Responds of Ozay Rinpoche

@Ruchi do you remember when you first joined us that I told you this is a Dharma practice?

@all
This is the system that we work with, this real life system that does not lie in any book, but rather the book you work from is the true book "YOURSELF"

If you are not "COURAGEOUS" enough then this, staying with us, will become difficult for you.

This Dharma practice is facing "YOURSELF" "SEEING YOURSELF" Remember one eye in, one eye out.

We are here to help ourselves, by helping others; we are here “to "TRULY" spiritually grow”

My advice if you have run out of fuel is this.

When you are in anger "BE IN ANGER FULLY" But "OBSERVE YOUR ANGER"

If you are in "JEALOUSY" "BE IN JEALOUSY FULLY" But "OBSERVE YOUR JEALOUSY"

If you are in "HATE BE IN HATE FULLY" And "OBSERVE YOUR HATE"

Now would you like to start again, as you were, but this time "KEEP ONE EYE IN AND ONE EYE OUT"

Eventually you will come to an end of all these blocks within the mind and you will feel only love in these situations.

Respond of Ruchi

@Ozay Rinpoche and Ahiranta.
(Editor note; Ruchi is here resending words spoken by Ozay)

“The energy is driven by a need for recognition over the other (Jealousy) thereby undermining truth with the desire to achieve superiority, this
happens in all kinds of relationships too.”

Ruchi continues:
Yes true, I understand this well, and its not only driven by jealousy, it
is driven by all sorts off... for example the need for denial, or repression, denial of anger, hatred, envy....greed... the need to keep a status quo - the need to keep the conditioning intact.

Responds of Ahiranta

@Ruchi: A joke for Ruchi;

The little Toyota car comes to a sudden stop. "Have you run out of petrol?" asks Ruthie Goldberg, sarcastically."

No, of course not, “replies young Fagin Finkelstein.

"Then why have we stopped?" says Rutchie."

Well," says Fagin, "you have probably noticed that we are parked in a quiet place in the forest miles from anywhere so I thought you might like a discussion about the hereafter."

"That's something new," replies Rutchie.

"What do you mean?"

"Simple," says Fagin."

If you are not here after....

what I am here after....

you will be here after I have gone."


.Responds of Ruchi

@Ahiranta
hahaha, a good example of what’s called projection.

All I did was trying out if I could reply directly from my mailbox, and typed some letters. Now the joke comes later> I am not that much into jokes, too arduous for
Me. Bye.

Responds of Ozay Rinpoche

@Ruchi
Yes that is right, I often call the conditioning; the ego, as I have in this case, but the ego is very slippery, it is always looking for new angles to retain its power.

@all
In this situation, which is another common tactic of ego, it will change the words around and quickly take ownership of the issue, thereby yet again making a sly move to become superior and dominating.

Until there is a great pain, an acceptance of being just one big arsehole of a human being, and being false, a realisation; “I am full of shit”, I hate myself; there can never be any movement forward for spiritual development and realisation of self completely.


Responds of Ahiranta

@Ruchi
hahahahahaha I see you Ruchi in all aspects. Nothing then Love Ruchi, nothing then Love.

Responds of Ozay Rinpoche

@all
Below is my book "Freedom" Escaping the prison of the mind. You can get it from Amazon; it is about my three attempts to escape from Cardiff prison, succeeding on my third attempt, in a profound way, in my own words a story of true enlightenment through meditation.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Freedom-Escaping-Prison-Mind-Rinpoche/dp/0980081726

@all
.P.S. anyone who has questions can contact me personally on this addy: abc_enlightenment@hotmail.com


Responds of Ozay Rinpoche

@Ruchi.
So, you are going again or are you just pretending to go, which ever reason at this point in the discussion it can only be another defence mechanism in operation, attack and run, what do you think?


Responds of Ahiranta

@all
There is not intentional hurt put upon you Ruchi!

Do I have an ego? YES,

Do I get emotionally stirred up? YES.

Does my ego wants to feel superior? YES YES YES, it loves to come out the winner!

But do I really win? Do I win when I intentionally hurt another human being? Does it really make me feel good?

No, it does not.

Am I all the things you accuse me off? YES I AM!

Only difference so far is that I know it, that I accept myself as I am in each situation.

Am I aware in all I do? NO!

I send you that joke to break the wall behind which you feel so safe. I do not stand on the other side of that wall, pretending that I know better, that I am better. I am standing in your shoes. I am within you, Love you, how can it be any other way.

I do not hurt you are any one else. We hurt ourselves.

I am aware that what I do say or do not say will create an emotion within the other, hurt in the so called other. If I see someone cannot take words, I will back off or give them compliments instead.

You can take it, you are ready to free yourself from the control of ego just like I am doing. There is no difference. I am all you think I am. I am you! I am the mirror mirroring us back! You are my mirror miroring us back!

Responds of Ruchi

@Ozay Rinpoche and Ahiranta.
Attack and run, you say is my defence, yours is attack and stay, hahahaha

I only went for a walk in the sun :-))))))))))))))))))))))) that does also exist you know hahahahahha

How long were you in prison in Cardiff?

Can you send an excerpt from the book.

The only difference you say is that you know it, how do you know that I don't know it. I know it to sometimes and sometimes it takes a bit.

But as you are not aware in all you do, you are also not aware always of your ego and it's cunning ways in yourself...

Both of you so far were not able to share here with me not even one ego reaction that happened during our encounter...

I am going again; of course you can now say I am on the flight.

Ahiranta can say I am only flexing my muscle with Ozay and not her. Stay stuck in your assumptions byyeeee
Responds of Ahiranta

@Ruchi
Hahahaha

Responds of Ozay Rinpoche

@Ruchi @all
When I am in ego, then it is as you say I will be ruled by my defence mechanisms, but as "I AM" at this time; I am in the truth and awareness mode, therefore that is not saying I cannot be caught out on other days as you are, it just gets less the more I practice self awareness.

@Ruchi
Hope you enjoyed your walk in the Sun :O)

I was only in prison for a short time, but in isolation for 6 months, if you type into google "Freedom" By Ozay Rinpoche you will get a free E-book copy.

@all
You may know many things intellectually, as many do, all you have to do is go look around and you will see there are so many who know, there are so many scholars of the truth, but there are few who know the "TRUE EXPERIENCE Of TRUTH"

The proof of this is the inability to master the lower nature of self in such discourses as we are now in; i.e. anger jealousy, slyness, evil intent, arrogance, pride, self importance, self centeredness lack of friendship, lack of love for one another.

What you will see is that most are "MASTERED" not the "MASTER" as their words will claim, they have no idea how to be master of the lower nature, they preach they are masters, but when put to the test they easily fall.

The truth speaks not in words but in action. Actions speak more about where you stand than your words will ever say, but only to those who have mastered that lower self.

Just keep practising this method and you will become more aware of this truth, there will be no need to believe me, rather you will know this truth.

When I am not aware of my ego, this is what happens usually:

Something makes me feel different it is not nice anymore I become uncomfortable inside, something makes me unhappy, or ill at ease, there is tension where there was relaxation and softness in my body and mind something ends my bliss, something disturbs, or even hurts emotions may arise.

Because I am used to better states of being than this, now a natural occurrence happens inside of me.
A desire arises to find an answer to end my discomfort inside, we are all pleasure seeking, and this is the outcome of many years of pleasure seeking, trial and error with one pleasure followed by another until you have come to realise the final pleasure seeking lies not outside but inside the self.
You have created much discomfort by pleasure seeking material thing, ego polishing etc, naturally, you come back to yourself and then inside yourself to answer all questions about the sufferings; you will see it was just one key you needed, so simple.

When this happens, because I am more used to a state of peace, there is a quick comparison, with now and before, when it was good.
I recognise this is not good, it is then I remember myself and steer my boat back to peacefulness with awareness of the whole process and where I went wrong, total honesty has to be used in every way not denial, but rather acceptance, letting go, understanding, that is how I become aware of my cunning ego.

The more I understand my own ego the more I understand your ego, and others egos and all its tricks, this is to be expected if I am truly realised.

As you may have already observed, it may seem that I always have the upper edge all the time in such debates when ego is in play.
This is because I know its full nature by being aware and when not able to be this; the discomfort created of blind ego will motivate and move me to take action and get right again, that is; I will kill my ego, or die to it so that truth is flowing through me.

When you react as you have done so far, we can see where your action comes from truth or ego, because we have freed ourselves by killing our own ego we have become able to see you clearly.

If you can point out where we are wrong then, the truth will out weigh our ignorance and truth cannot be denied the moment it is seen.

If you see and bring it forward it cannot be denied except for one who is blinded by ego and runs away, these are egoistical tactics.

I stand and wait for your explanation.

On the other hand, is it just another poor attempt for your ego to regain ground? Again, there is possibility we are not seeing, but it is not likely the most likely thing as can be clearly seen; you are trapped within your defence mechanisms, until what you speak of can be clearly pointed out then it lies with you to find your own inner truth, in Yourself, or in Ahiranta, or in Ozay Rinpoche.

Responds of Aashan Sajangurukkal

@all
If thorn fall on a leaf or leaf fall on a thorn....

only leaf gets hurt....

leaf is Masochist and thorn is sadist...

but some leaves desire to hurt....

Military without gun !!!!!!


Responds of Ozay Rinpoche

@all
If a leaf and thorn come together, it is normally by an unnatural occurrence, though placed on the same tree.
In the same way, when ego comes into life it will damage everything it touches if it is not mastered correctly.


Responds of Ahiranta

@all
The child walks out the door after found out lying to its parents. The child thinks; “how can they know that I am lying? I could have spoken the truth! I know I did not speak the truth but they have no way of knowing that.
They could have been wrong saying that I was lying.
They cannot know what is in my head, they cannot see in my head.”

Because you cannot see, what I have come to see you cannot understand why I can see what you cannot see. Yet, give it time and you will come to see what I can see!

A child sees the world through his understanding. When our grandson sits with us looking at the same object he will see something very different then what I see or what Ozay is seeing.

You are at this moment keeping up the wall of your mind and filters all through your mind while reading all we write. All you write shows me where you stand in your development. What you see in me is also showing your development.

You conceive this conversation as being a struggle, a fight, and a battle of wills. It is not so. You are fighting your self.

I can talk to you about the colour red until the cows come home. But until you stop and start asking questions, preferably ask your self, you will never become able to see the colour red, to experience the colour red, to become the colour red..

You say that so far we have not been able to give you any words that showed you the working of our own ego. Ozay answered that beautifully for you.

Just as we cannot hurt you we cannot give you anything either. You will have to do the work inside of you. You mentioned that you had heard what we say from another source from another enlightened one, in person. You see hearing is one thing, digesting what entered the ear or eye is another. You are still looking for an answer that is why you came here. However, the problem is that you do not like to feel as if you are “being told”. That some else knows and you do not know.

This is why so many masters demand surrender from people who make the request to do their inner work under the master’s guidance.

You came here.

You wanted to do inner work.

You agreed to the dharma system explained to you by Ozay in a private message.

The problem now is that you keep holding onto all that you think you already know. You listen while your cup (mind) filled up with previously collected ideas, believes, morals etc while Ozay and I are pouring light over and into your cup so you can see clearly all the mind concepts you hold onto. How can the light, pointers, signpost or whatever name you want to give all words spoken enter you for digestion when the moment we send you each word you quickly cover your cup with your hand?

Someone wrote yesterday “you should not feed a cow meat”. The cow would die. We are offering you grass but you perceive it as being meat.

We lead you to the water we shine a light to light your path to the water. However, you are stuck of a for you invisible lead is holding you tightly in place where you are at.

We cannot do the walking for you.
We cannot make you drink the water.
What we can do is keep shining the light, which we call truth until you lose your blindness, break the lead, making it possible for you can start following the light until you will become that light yourself.

You came here to work. WORK! Not to be polished up.

Responds of Aashan Sajangurukkal

@all
hahahahahaaaaaa.......very nice


Responds of Keep Lakshmi

@all
♥


Responds of Ruchi

@all
I need to retire for a while, thanks for your well-intentioned long replies


Responds of Aashan Sajangurukkal

@all
Himalayas never move

Responds of Aashan Sajangurukkal

@all
Rivers flow

Responds of Ruchi


@Aashan Sajangurukkal
And: turbans never removed


Responds of Ruchi

@all
I have a thousand brilliant lies for the question: how are you?
I have a thousand brilliant lies for the question: what is God?
If you think that the Truth can be known from words,
if you think that the sun and the ocean can pass
through that tiny opening called the mouth...Oh, someone should start laughing!

Someone should start wildly laughing -now!

(Editors note: as mentioned before defence mechanism by quoting from book.)

Responds of Ozay Rinpoche

@all
The truth can be experienced on varying levels rising to the ultimate truth, because the ego is a lie and creates even more lies, this friction, that dialogue, creates is the stairway to the ultimate truth, see it or not see it, it is the truth, and you cannot deny this.

The ego (mind thought words) is a means to its own end, and the tool it uses for this end is suffering, through attachment to words it identifies with.

Therefore it is a fact we use words and it is a fact through words we create suffering and this suffering brings us self knowledge: Truth.

@Ruchi
Which paperback did you quote your last responds from Ruchi?