Phillipou Albert CornickThey thought that by killing Muslims that they would be redeemed for their impurities, do you think that was correct behaviour and that they would be redeemed?
To end another life I would not like to have to live with that no matter for what... reason how about Ross what do you think I stole it off your wall?See MoreNovember 11 at 2:44pm ·- Mrs. Rene O'Riordan Can a man stand there and watch his wife and children being attacked? There is a time when a man must put his life on the line for the sake of those who are deserving and needing of his protection. A Christian man is not trying to kill someone he is trying to protect someone. God sees his heart. This is the "just war" of which Aquinas spoke. We must take back what has been forcefully taken from us and believe me no Christian country willingly handed over the reigns to the murauding muslims in the 7th century - rNovember 11 at 2:51pm · ·
- Phillipou Albert Cornick I am not scared to die for truth and what is right, but our Christians knights went to their country to kill didn't they, was there anyone in our country at risk from them?November 11 at 2:58pm ·
- Mrs. Rene O'Riordan "Their country"? I'll say no more I want Ross home safely first. - rNovember 11 at 3:37pm · ·
- Phillipou Albert Cornick The crusades was in the holy land wasn't they and that is Jerusalem isn't it?
Where is Ross?November 11 at 3:57pm · 
Stephanie Nicolo Phillipou...the Catholics only defended themselves against the Muslims since they attacked first.November 11 at 10:09pm · ·- Phillipou Albert CornickI am no professor on history, so I could not speak about the political side of it, yet I have a simplistic understanding, I know that in America for instance that it has been well known in the past to have a high proportion or racial prejud...ice, and the Jews were also very prejudice about intermingling with other cultures. To intermingle with other culture means you have to visit other lands than from where you were born.
I suppose I can understand why they did not want western Europeans in their land as invaders, so I look at it as if the shoe was on the other foot, how would British deal with it if they had Arabs over hear doing what the Western Christians were doing, at that point I have to come to terms with the fact, me, WE, would not like that so in a way we could say they had a right to kick out as the invaders?
So what is the best Christian way to look at the whole situation from afar if you know what I mean?
Was the Christian crusades to the Holy land a morally correct thing to do according to our lord Jesus, or do you think there was some kind of political agenda involved and it may have used Christianity as a means of manipulation to make war and gain power?
I am not sure about these points that is why I would like to speak about them and try to address them in my own mind, can I consolidate this behaviour with what Jesus taught, I have seen others argue about this point, but I am not about to argue only try to understand, maybe some one here has a good answer?See MoreNovember 12 at 3:57pm · - Stephanie Nicolo Phillipou...when you say were the Crusades justified by what Christ would do? Is any war justified by what Christ would do? What were Catholics suppose to do get slaughtered? We are not doormats Phillipou neither. We must defend ourselves as said in Ephesians for the faith. even in death.November 12 at 9:04pm · ·
Alasdair Sclater Philippou. When may I say that I am tired of Christian apologies for the crusades. The Crusades happened because Christians in the holy land were being persecuted. In 1025 the mad Caliph Al Hakim closed down the Church of the Holy sepulchre. The crusades came of a request for help in defeating the invaders.November 12 at 9:28pm · · 2 peopleLoading... ·- Mrs. Rene O'Riordan"A just war is wont to be described as one that avenges wrongs, when a nation or state has to be punished, for refusing to make amends for the wrongs inflicted by its subjects, or to restore what it has seized unjustly."
- This is Thomas A...quinas on the subject of war - http://www.newadvent.org/summa/3040.htm - We just keep right on learning something new every day. - Blessings - ReneSee MoreNovember 12 at 10:10pm · · 
Helen Tann Wow who took this photo of me? I look good! I miss my hair being so long tho... Still inspiration to grow it again!:)November 12 at 10:47pm · · 1 personLoading... ·- Stephanie Nicolo Helen...what kind of stupid answer is that? It isn't even funny.November 12 at 10:50pm · · 1 personLoading... ·
Ross Earl Hoffman Oh boy, post a picture, and everyone, starts driving no matter where your sitting in the car....November 13 at 10:06pm · · 2 peopleLoading... ·
Jill Golub gee, i was way off looking at this one...i saw a strong, loyal knight, coming in from battle, beaten, bloodied, bruised from the enemy...head bowed in humble prayer to his Maker...and I guess because of ignorance, I thought of it as showing what happens to us inside when going to 'battle' folks like CANC and the like...November 21 at 12:14pm · · 1 personLoading... ·- Phillipou Albert Cornick @Stephanie....We are not talking about what we need to do to save our own culture, we are talking about what we did to the arabs to distroy their culture, in effect by saying what you have said all you have to do is switch that shoe to the other foot and what it is saying is that the Catholics were wrong going to their countries on the crusades, that is when you 'CAN' become unbiased.November 23 at 12:34pm ·
- Phillipou Albert CornickNo I am saying that English and other Europeans went over to their country, they did not come to our country.
Now what would you be saying if the shoe was on the other foot? that is what I am saying.
They did not come and knock on our door an...d cause trouble we went over there and used the excuse that they were killing Christians ex Jews etc
OK there is always a wrong going on, but two wrongs do not make a right or does it?
Again I ask this simple question which should have a simple answer, who went to who country first?
That is where first blood came from.See MoreWednesday at 11:55am · - Phillipou Albert Cornick PS and that will be where first wrong came from also.Wednesday at 11:56am ·
- Stephanie Nicolo No. You are dead wrong. The Muslims invaded and the Emporer called the pope for help. For back up. What is it that you don't understand?Wednesday at 4:36pm · ·
- Phillipou Albert CornickI understand what you have said, to me it seems that you do not understand what I am saying for some strange reason, I will try to make it easier for you to understand.
England belongs to English correct? If Arab come and enters our country ...he is an invader Correct?
Now imagine it is the other way around, can you? If not why?See MoreThursday at 8:46pm · - Phillipou Albert Cornick Now is it right that we went on those crusades and killed people in there own countries not ours? what do you truly think with an unbiased mind?
That is all I ask, were we right, and are we right to consider that was a correct thing to do?Thursday at 8:49pm · - Phillipou Albert CornickWhy did Jesus tell Peter to put down his sword after he had cut off the Romans ear, then Jesus healed the Roman, Jesus did not accept this form of Christianity if that is what you call it. If he accepted that the crusades were morally just ...then he would have picked up a sword with Peter and fought off the Romans who came for him, he even knew he was going to be crucified, but still did not fight to save his life.
Who's example were these crusaders told to follow?See MoreThursday at 8:56pm · - Phillipou Albert CornickOne of the greatest Saints of all time called ST Francis of Assisi also went on these crusades because like many of the time he was convinced it was the right thing to do.
Now then are we to say he was a coward because he did not stay and fi...ght, he was a deserter for Christ name.
Or are we to say by deserting he took up his cross for Christ?See MoreThursday at 8:59pm · - Stephanie Nicolo In the Old Testament Phillipou, God had showed no mercy for His people.Thursday at 9:21pm · ·
- Ross Earl HoffmanPhillipou this might help.
The Crusades
ANNE CARROLL
This history and apologetic for the Crusades is suitable for junior or senior high school social studies or history students.
...Pope Blessed Urban II and the first crusade
Urban had been a Cluny monk and an assistant to Pope Gregory. For a time, be had been a prisoner of Henry IV. When Urban was elected, Rome was held by the imperial anti-pope. Urban spent the first three years of his reign in south Italy, but he held councils and improved ecclesiastical discipline. Finally the forces of Countess Matilda of Tuscany, who had supported Gregory against Henry all along, defeated Henry at Canossa. Urban entered Rome, but the anti-pope still held the strong places. Urban didn't sit on the Papal throne until six years after his election.
Urban's main achievement was convoking the Council of Clermont, November 1095, which called the First Crusade. The Byzantine Emperor, Alexius Commenus, had sent a desperate appeal to Urban for armed knights to defend Christianity against the Moslem enemy. When the Pope laid the Emperor's pleas before the knights in Clermont, the main concern of the noblemen there was not so much the defense of Byzantium as the rescue of the Holy land from Moslem domination. Palestine had been under Moslem control since the days of the Caliph Omar, but at least the Arab Moslems had allowed Christian pilgrims to visit the places made sacred by the life of Christ. The SeIjuk Turks, now the dominant Moslem power, had, on the other hand, closed off the Holy Land.
Thus the Pope concluded his speech to the council with these words: “Men of God, men chosen and blessed among all, combine your forces! Take the road to the Holy Sepulcher assured of the imperishable glory that awaits you in God's kingdom. Let each one deny himself and take the Cross!” With a shout — "God wills it” — the Assembly rose. They adopted a red cross as their emblem, and within a few hours no more red material remained in the town because the knights had cut it all up into crosses to be sewn on their sleeves. Because of their emblem (crux is the Latin word for cross) they were given the name Crusaders.
It is important to understand that the Crusades were a just war. The Church is frequently attacked on the question of the Crusades, sometimes on the grounds that the Christian nations of Europe were the aggressors and encouraged to be so by the Popes, sometimes on the grounds that this kind of war was inappropriate for Christians to fight, and sometimes on the grounds that immoral things happened on the Crusades. Each of these objections can be countered, showing that the Crusades were a just war.
First, the Christian nations of Europe were definitely not the aggressors. As we have seen in earlier chapters, the Moslems had been aggressors against the Christians since the seventh century. Their attacks on Christian countries were still going on in the eleventh century. In 1071 the Turks had attacked and virtually annihilated the Byzantine army at Manzikert. It was this defeat that led the Byzantine Emperor to appeal to the Pope for aid against the Moslems. The Christian countries of Europe were clearly justified in defending themselves against Moslem attacks and also in going on the offensive in order to prevent future attacks. At no point did the Crusaders attack the Moslem homeland, Arabia, but only those originally Christian territories that the Moslems had conquered.
Second, it certainly was and is appropriate for Christians to defend themselves and the innocent and helpless against attacks, which is exactly what the Crusaders were doing. It is also appropriate for Christians to try to regain lands which their enemy had conquered, as was the case with the Holy Land. The religious significance of the Holy land makes it even better that Christians try to regain it rather than worse, since Christians had every right to govern the lands where Christ had walked and to protect them from desecration.
Finally, there were certainly abuses during the Crusades, most notably the Sack of Jerusalem and the Sack of Constantinople, both of which are discussed below. But an immoral action during a war does not detract from the justice of the cause of the war. The immoral action should be condemned, as Godfrey de Bouillon condemned the Sack of Jerusalem and Simon de Montfort condemned the Sack of Constantinople, but the war itself remains just.
On to Jerusalem
In the summer of 1096 the various contingents of Crusaders began making their way to the Holy Land. There was no one overall leader. Henry IV, the Holy Roman Emperor, certainly could not be trusted with such a responsibility, nor was any other ruler in Europe in a position to assume leadership. So knights from the different areas followed their own overlords. The Pope appointed Bishop Adhemar as his personal representative, with the responsibility of keeping the lords working in as much harmony as possible to achieve their mission. As the Crusade progressed, the dominant figures would be Bohemond, leader of the Normans of Italy; Godfrey de Bouillon, leading the contingent from Lorraine and the Low Countries; and Raymond of Toulouse, with knights from southern France. The contingent under Raymond was the largest' and of all the leaders he was the one most committed to the crusading ideal: the restoration of Jerusalem to Christian control.
The lack of a unified command was only one of the reasons why, from a purely worldly standpoint, the Crusade seemed unlikely of success. The Crusaders would be fighting far from home, whereas the Moslems would be on familiar ground. The economy of Europe was just beginning to grow so that commerce and trade could flourish and surplus wealth be produced. The Moslems, on the other hand, were living off a long-standing economy. But these Moslem advantages paled beside the devotion and enthusiasm which motivated the majority of those who sewed the red crosses on their sleeves, leaving home and family to fight for Christ against His enemies.See MoreThursday at 9:28pm · · - Ross Earl HoffmanCrusaders at Nicea
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The main Crusader contingents arrived in Constantinople by April 1097, and in June took nearby Nicea from the Moslems. A week later, they beg...an marching east, through arid wastelands under a blistering sun. The local Moslem commander thought these foolish knights could be easily conquered, the more so as they had divided their forces into two columns. On July 1 he attacked at Dorylaeum.
Bohemond and his men bore the first onslaught. He exhorted his men to stand firm and sent messengers for help. The Normans held until Raymond's men arrived and then a contingent led by Bishop Adhemar. The Turks fled, having suffered five times as many casualties as the Christians.
On they went, through the midsummer heat, finally reaching fertile lands in August. After a rest they were on the march again, reaching the important city of Antioch in October. The siege of the city was long and difficult. Some of the less dedicated leaders weakened and returned home. But Raymond, Godfrey and Bohemond held firm, inspiring their men, leading charges, resisting enemy attacks. Finally Bohemond, with the help of a traitor inside Antioch, broke into the city and opened the gates to the rest of the Crusading army. Antioch fell to the Christians, but they soon found themselves in turn besieged by a Moslem relief army. Conditions looked grim but on June 28, Bohemond called forth the entire Christian army. After a final hand-to-hand struggle, the Moslem army was routed, and Antioch was secure.
The leaders let their army rest and recuperate until November 1. In August Bishop Adhemar died, leaving no successor. Without his steadying hand, the leaders quarreled among themselves. Bohemond considered that Antioch was his personal possession and seemed to have lost interest in Jerusalem. Raymond, whose commitment to the conquest of Jerusalem never wavered, insisted that they march on. Reports of their quarrel reached the men. The soldiers had no doubts as to what they wanted to do. They demanded that the army march to Jerusalem at once or they would tear down the walls of Antioch. The leaders promised to go, but there were more delays. Once more the men had to deliver an ultimatum.
Finally, on January 13, 1099 Raymond led the Crusaders on the final march to Jerusalem. They won a series of fairly easy victories and on June 7 arrived within sight of Jerusalem for the first time, viewing it from a mountain which pilgrims had long before named Mountjoy. Said one man writing at the time, “When they heard the name of Jerusalem, they could not restrain their tears. Falling upon their knees, they gave thanks to God for having enabled them to reach the goal of their pilgrimage, the Holy City where our Lord had chosen to save the world.”
But the siege of Jerusalem was even more difficult than the siege of Antioch. The sun shone pitilessly and the wind from the desert drained moisture from the flesh. The Moslems had poisoned the wells near the city, and men would lick dew from the grass or dig into the ground to find moist earth. But then one of the priests with the Crusaders reported that he had seen a vision of Bishop Adhemar, who had asked that the army fast and then walk barefoot around the walls of Jerusalem begging God's help. If they would do so, victory would be theirs.
The men had loved Bishop Adhemar and they all responded to this request. The Crusaders had renewed confidence and courage, and on July 15 the final assault was launched. Godfrey led it, from a wooden siege tower, at one point even holding up a cracked beam with his own back. His men flung open the Gate of St. Stephen. Through it came the Normans and then the main force under Raymond. Jerusalem was taken.
As the men entered the city, all their pent-up frustration erupted. They went wild, looting the city and killing many innocent people. This behavior was totally against the promises these men had made at knight-hood, and marred what would otherwise have been a splendid victory. Neither Godfrey nor Raymond, however, participated in or in any way approved of the Sack of Jerusalem.
The Crusaders now offered the crown of Jerusalem to Raymond. He refused it, declaring that he would not wear a crown of gold where his Savior had worn a crown of thorns. Godfrey was then offered the crown, and he too refused it with the same words. But he agreed to take responsibility for Jerusalem's defense, under the title Defender of the Holy Sepulcher. At last Christians could freely travel in the Holy land and worship at the holy places.
Soon after the conquest of Jerusalem, a new religious community was organized, called the Knights of St John, or the Hospitallers. The Knights of St. John took vows to dedicate their lives to God as did the monks in Europe. They also had a charitable purpose — care of the sick (hence the name Hospitallers) — as did some monks in Europe. But besides all this, the Knights regarded themselves as a military organization, which would fight whenever necessary in the service of the Church or to protect the innocent. They were, for example, entrusted with the protection of the Holy Sepulcher. The Knights provided the Latin kingdom of Jerusalem with a permanent army which represented the best of the spirit of the Crusades.See MoreThursday at 9:28pm · · 1 personLoading... · - Phillipou Albert CornickThanks Ross I loved that story.
Beautiful story wonder if it will ever reach Holywood now that would be a film I would like to watch.
For sure those Knights had great faith in what they were doing, Faith on its own accord has always been prov...en to create miraculous things to happen, the same as placebo I guess, and the same as those indian which doctors who could create death just by giving out a spell or two.
But if you had a show of hands about doing these crusades and Jesus along with such Saints as ST Francis, do you think they would vote for or against the crusades?See MoreThursday at 9:45pm · - Phillipou Albert CornickWhen our nations wants a war then they can create all kinds of reason why a war should be fought as has been shown of more recent times I am sure I do not need to mention who and what thats about weapons of mass destruction that has been ha...ppening all through our history, politics and religion really do not belong together, yet they have to be there I guess just because there are, there is always an excuse to fight a war on the grounds of morality that is just a fact, and our politicians who were in them day church leaders would have used the same morality if we use this kind of morality would we not be fighting a war in every country on that kind of criterion, I cannot see a real saint wishing to fight in those wars or voting to go to war to kill another human being, and I just CANNOT IMAGINE JESUS GOING TO WAR TO KILL THE MUSLIMS not when you think about his story of the Samaritan and who he explained was your neighbour, it is just difficult to accept that kind of opposites fit together, and we call it Christianity...DOES IT REALLY SOUND RIGHT TO YOU ROSS? I am confused other wise..See MoreThursday at 10:00pm ·
- Stephanie Nicolo Ross...that was great. I wished I could find the time to spell out history for one's who don't know it or understand it, but I just don't have the patience sometimes...they don't get it.Yesterday at 1:07pm · ·
- Phillipou Albert Cornick You don't need history where the teachings of Jesus is concerned all you need is a path, that is simple, and that path cannot be the crusades Jesus never taught it. THAT IS WHAT YOU CANNOT GET INTO YOUR HEAD.Yesterday at 2:25pm ·
- Phillipou Albert Cornick ST Francis according to your ideas then was a coward and not a SAINT?Yesterday at 2:26pm ·
- Stephanie Nicolo Phillipou, one who is OBSESSED with the Crusades, and does not listen to the story displayed above, is only looking for answers that cannot be found. Do you think Jesus cared when Moses killed someone? That St. Paul was a murderer and now sits at the right hand of the Father? Seriously...the bible is Tradition, which is history written down...good grief. Are you a saint Phillipou?Yesterday at 2:31pm · ·
- Phillipou Albert Cornick PS I don't understand if your are a Catholic why you are being so nasty about all this all I was doing was asking questions and you are so quick to get nasty, we call that where I come from touchy, you are NOT A KIND PERSON.Yesterday at 2:32pm ·
- Phillipou Albert CornickStephanie, I know what is right and I know what is wrong, mostly because I have read the teachings of Jesus, he helped me a lot, he never taught me any where in his teachings that it was right to kill, and you are telling me it is ok to pic...k up a sword and go to war and kill people in thier own country? COME ON NOW.
If you want me to be a SAINT then to you I am.See MoreYesterday at 2:40pm · - Stephanie NicoloPhillipou...Moses killed a Pharisee, yet God called upon him because Moses DEFENDED himself. God also called upon Saint Paul who murdered Christians, and held the cloak of St. Stephen, the first martyr while others stoned him to death, yet... God called upon him. I do not support killing as God also made it a Commandment. But I do support when one needs to defend himself, namely the Crusades. Because you don't like these answers, you are the one who is getting nasty. Constantine saw a Cross in the sky, he knew he was going to win his war and he converted after that...it's up to God Phillipou.See MoreYesterday at 2:57pm · ·
- Phillipou Albert CornickThat was 'Moses' not Jesus, Moses went through a change on the mount he was changed and transfigured he carried the light of God then.
And Paul also had a change on the road to Damascus, what are you saying that we should follow their examp...les before they were born again, as we call it today, they grew and left the old ways behind.
Did Moses kill anyone after that, or Did Paul Kill anyone after the road to Damascus?See MoreYesterday at 3:06pm · - Phillipou Albert Cornick "KILLING IS WRONG"....I BET YOU ARE PROBABLY A VEGETARIAN AS-WELL, SO ITS OK TO KILL PEOPLE BUT NOT OK TO KILL ANIMALS AM I RIGHT?Yesterday at 3:08pm ·
- Stephanie Nicolo Phillipou, do I look like a vegetarian to you? Why get so angry?Yesterday at 4:29pm · ·
- Ross Earl Hoffman Well actually Phillipou, I think turning the other Cheek, can be affective, in every situation, UNLESS, you have a Muslim force, thats about to invade the Territory, God has deemed, they CAN'T have. Such as the Holy Land. I think, rather than arguing with us, you might find, your energy better spent, in front of your local abortion Mill, with a big crucifix in your hand, pacing back and forth, arguing with those murdering devils....last time, I checked, the Crusades was long over.....MOVE ON, brother.Yesterday at 4:33pm · ·
- Phillipou Albert Cornick Stephanie, I felt you were being unkind, and to be so unkind about some thing like a discussion about the why's and what fors of the crusades makes me reply as I did.7 hours ago ·
- Phillipou Albert CornickRoss I am with you on the abortion thing, I do not agree with it either, we are just discussing I was trying to understand why and what grounds those crusades were fought on, and for some reason there was an aggressive approach to me person...ally, I don't understand that. I try to be a good Christian, I like to understand and ask questions, I cannot help it if I see what seems to be contradictions they are just there, Jesus tell me turn the other cheek and I feel that is right.
You say it was Gods will that those wars were fought, how can that be proven, I am not trying to provoke anything when I say this: Just recently a case come on the TV news and a man stabbed his wife 30 times and he stabbed his little baby 1 time they both died, and the reason he used for this was that God had told him to do so.
Now you put me in a dlema here by saying this, if I believe this don't I become a threat to the public, all kinds of people are hearing voices how do we know that the same god speaking to them is the same one who was speaking to the Pope at the time, after all the outcome is the same "DEATH" And that has been repeated over and over, I wonder how many have murdered and said it was Gods will be done? I think if you look at statistics there is a very high proportion of people who are doing life sentences because they said God told them to murder, this stand really confuses me Ross, and I do not want to be confused by what God wants me to do.
Ross, Your opinion were the crusade correct by Jesus's standards or ST Francis standards I trust your own opinion no one else's, just yours, can you help me on this?
if all the Catholics believe the crusades were right and just then I am in the wrong religion, it is that important, and I need a satisfactory answer, is it right to move on when I have this kind of conflict in my mind over this issue?
I only asking for help.See More7 hours ago · - Phillipou Albert Cornick If I am mistaken then I apologise, but you called a friend of mine stupid, and you told me what I said was Bullshit. Which felt a bit hostile, but if that is not how you meant it then I am happy for you.9 minutes ago ·
- Ross Earl Hoffman Stephanie, learned that type of language from me, Phillipou...lol8 minutes ago · ·
- Phillipou Albert Cornick Hahahahahaa! Ross, maybe I should learn it a bit more and not then take it so seriously myself :O)
Saturday, 27 November 2010
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Pay no attention to Stephanie Nicolo. She's a nasty troll and bigot who goes around arguing with everybody on various websites, trying to prove views while never offering anything of substance to back up her claims.
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