MORE OF THE DISCUSSION OF THE TEACHER OF CHRISTIAN TEACHERS

M. J. Young.......You make much of your experience, and denigrate my reliance of the Bible
> as a means of validating the content of experience.

Ozay wrote.......You forget what I have said often for some reason? Again the Bible is a good tool to point the way as a map, destination reached, map not needed anymore, when it is used after this it becomes an identity, god can only be found when the illusion of self is gone, hence to die to self and be born again into truth.


M. J. Young...... Bear with me for this.
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M. J. Young...... Let us imagine for a moment that beyond our physical, material, and
> mortal realm there is a spiritual realm. We have only limited access to
> such a realm, and that access is primarily gained by whoever or whatever
> exists in that realm choosing to reach into ours.

Ozay wrote.......Yes I have identified those realms and know where the true god is, my ability to identifying comes in order of this, on the lowest level those spirits are Earth bound and attached to the desire for material wealth and the things of the world, they relate to instinctive behaviour this relates to the animal in man, or lower nature as the bible indicates, these spirits are called eternally damned, yet this is incorrect.

On a middle level those spirits are attached to identity, yet they recognise there is a some thing higher because the divine spark is felt, but due to the nature of mind it cannot identify where this divine spark it to be found, so the search is carried out in the outside world through sense pleasures, identifying is one such sense pleasure, these spirits are what some called eternally damned, yet this is not correct.

Then there are those who are 3/4 way to god, who can communicate with the man who is pure but still in body form, these are called in books arch angels or communicators between the true god and man.

Then when all this phenomena is stilled, man becomes that cosmic acean called GOD, LIFE, LIFE FORCE, ETERNITY, DIVINE LOVE you see, we are one small drop of that cosmic ocean, it is just that though we are the water of God we are dirty water corrupted by mind and its attachments to Earthly ways identifying with scholarship is one thing, but using holy books as a guide is some thing completely different, one is still cluttered by mind, and it is mind that veils true god experience.

Though some of my explanation above the words have been taken from books, first this information was come to be me as an experience, therefore knowing this experience, knowing the lower realm and the higher realm I am qualified to speak on such intricate matters, but you have to understand I am talking in your language which is not adequate to show fully everything that is, here only a very small part can be explained with the media of communication we use, and the more pure you become the more grater this media will become.


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M. J. Young...... It is possible that there is only one being in that world, and thus
> whatever comes from that world comes from that one being. However,
> those who throughout history have claimed to have had contact with that
> world have stated that there is one, or two, or several, or many, or
> innumerable beings in that realm. It thus is at least possible that any
> of a nearly infinite number of beings might choose to convey information
> to us.

Ozay wrote.......It can be explained more clearly, that there is only one true light, and that is white light (GOD) this gives all the other spectrum's of light, though a man may say he is red light, without white light he cannot exist, and nothing can exist, yet there is black, or no light without this it would not be possible for white light, so you may say that Black has to go with white, like there is a male light and a female light, this truth can only be come to when you know god in the self, those colours in-between cannot exist without these two opposites, Further it is a fact that there is life in the universe where there is diverse life forms, and if these life forms have been around much longer than us, then it is possible you will have the bushman meeting the high technology man of today and thinking he is a god, well to the bush man he is god, yet the god I speak of can only be understood as a point of evolution where man has moved away from belief into knowing by direct experience, the inner self conveyes the who of creation and for most people they have not even began to look inside the self to see this relationship with what you call the many spirits and the one spirit of life also called white light here and GOD.


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M. J. Young...... Further, we know nothing about those beings. We have no way of knowing
> whether they have any motivation to deceive us--which means we would be
> fools to believe that whatever they communicate to us is automatically
> truth.

Ozay wrote.......Further, you know nothing of these spirits, or beings though I do not know all of those manifestations I know enough to say there is those that are evolving, those that are highly evolved and those that are like man just children who suck up to belief systems because they 'BELIEVE' the greatest lie of all 'DEATH' man is fear driven that is why he has such rediculous belief systems and does not wish to sacrifice them, because initially he fears death.


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M. J. Young...... It is for this reason that the God of the Bible took such visible and
> dramatic steps to demonstrate His concern for us and His identity as The
> Creator. It would be easy enough for any spirit to claim to be God and
> to overwhelm us with what might be simple parlor tricks in its world.
> The God of the Bible chose to do much more to demonstrate His identity
> and His altruism.

Ozay wrote.......For you who is stuck in 'BELEIF' such statements are relevant only to you and those who are stuck only with 'BELIEF' yet there are those who are brave enough to truly wish to find an answer, a true answer and that answer can only come when you take that map in your hand and start travelling and stop preaching, the answer will be found when this personality so full of 'BELIEFs' comes to an end, it has to die before you can know, until you can see that you are not standing in the correct place, then for the rest of your life you will be stuck in this inaduquate 'BELIEF' system, I am not here to take Jesus away from any man, but I am here to reinforce what Jesus taught, but in a modern way for modern man this will re-estabalish not belief but rather the truth of mans relationship with his cosmic father.


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M. J. Young...... You might have met Him. On the other hand, you might have met any of an
> unknown number of impostors who wish you to believe something entirely
> wrong, and so have revealed to you lies as if they were truth. We do
> not know what motive they might have for doing so, but that does not
> prove that they would have no such motive.

Ozay wrote.......Again your whole sentence here is stuck, you cannot go any way with it because you are always flawed in belief, if a man does not "KNOW" then he should be "BRAVE" enough to state I cannot "KNOW" but I am willing to find out, if you are not willing to find out the truth for yourself, why do you speak so much? Surely an evolved man must be better than that? What point of all this information all these road maps if you merely just read them every day without going the destination?


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M. J. Young...... The Bible is my assurance that the experience I have matches that of
> others who have been in contact with this particular spirit, the One Who
> is most likely The God and Who has done more than any other spirit to
> demonstrate His personal concern for us.

Ozay wrote.......The Bible for you is much like a baby who comes off the mothers breast and then goes onto sucking the babies teet, it is just for comfort nothing else, it promises yet cannot forfill anything outside of what a hypnotist cannot accomplish, it is a mind preoccupation like watching tv, you forget the world outside of the tv box and it is comforting, but this only lasts for as long as you hold on then one day when you have to let go you will be on your own, or living in the imagery that the imagination has created, there is a truth that is much greater that this identifying, for identifying is just merely robbing yourself of your true inheritance.


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M. J. Young......You think you know, but you only know what you have experienced, and you
> have no way of knowing whether the experience you have been given has
> been a lie intended to deceive you and lead you into a trap. I also
> have experience, but I have a means of measuring my experience against a
> standard for what The God is really like. Absent that, you have no way
> to be certain that the being who has given you this experience is not
> luring you to your destruction.

Ozay wrote.......I DO NOT THINK I KNOW......"I KNOW"...... and that which I do not know I am man enough to say "I DO NOT KNOW" I will not fall into any 'BELIEF" system, any man who gives another an a belief system gives that man poison, yet a man who can distinguish the difference beweet what benefit a belief system has up against what benefit a system of experience therefore a "knowing" SYSTEM HAS ALREADY EVOLVED BEYOND THIS WORLD where we are all conditioned to have 'BELIEF' therefore he has already showed he is evolved pass the norm. Again you struggle with your belief about what I know, this is not my problem this is your problem I mertely state fact to you, and I even give you hints why you are having trouble...identifying...ego..... and still you are stuck for without your belief system you have nothing to say, this is most difficult for you, but still it does not deny the truth I have spoken which has come to me for you, it is like seed being dropped on fertile or infertile soil, that soil can only be created when you make effort to look at where you stand and the uselessness of a belief system, again I remind you Jesus was a saviour, but only for a very small margin, he stands at the gate way as he said, but it is a very narrow gateway, much more narrow than you can realise.

It is simple to see concerning your last reference in this above sentence, this is your struggle not my struggle, you are full of doubt because of your 'BELIEF' I am not...."I KNOW GOD AS EXPERIENCE" when you have experienced God then there is no doubt and this God has no identity, therefore with no individual identity but the core of all identity, and I who have lost this identity and unified with all cannot be wrong, but for you? where do you stand some where? For me I stand everywhere because I am in God and God is within me.



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M. J. Young...... You condemn my ego, but your ego is far greater. I admit that I am
> fallible, that I might misunderstand, and that I am reliant on others to
> help me grasp the truth behind my experience. You make yourself the
> measure of all things.

Ozay wrote.......Yes, you are correct about both mentions on ego, my ego IS GREATER THAN YOUR EGO and the reason for this is because I have my feet placed firmly in truth and I know that my ego is a non reality, or a creation of the God that I am, therefore this gives a great flexibility when you know that this ego is an illusion of a self that must die, when this attached ego becomes killed then to live in the world one must recreate a new ego, but this ego will never again have the hold it once had, it thought it was who I AM, but then when it was Killed, I knew who I AM as direct experience of the true nature of self, you see for me I can pick up this ego and then I can put it down like a tool in my tool collection, but for those who do not know the truth of this ego for them the ego is who they are, identity, and they will fight and they will kill and they will join other egos which identify to the same kind and here will be the struggle and eternal damnation, because it can be an eternal struggle. This ego is full of error, and yet powerfull when driven by its recognition of its true nature, it is not the ego that is the true measure it is that which stands in stillness behind the ego which has the full measure of truth and it is this that I know is god in me and therefore I am his servant, you see my ego is humble to that which stands behind, yet it is a great warrior against the lie of itself and other selves that are invented, because it recognises its own unreality it seems that it is very strong, yet this strength was found by the ultimate weakness of death of the ego.