MORE OF THE DISCUSSION OF THE TEACHER OF CHRISTIAN TEACHERS

-M. J. Young....... Thanks again for your note.

Ozay wrote.......And thank you again for your note.

-M. J. Young....... I suppose my real point is that I don't think we're really listening to
> each other.

Ozay wrote.......That is a good point, you see I read the whole English Bible from Genisis to
Revelations 7 times then I read the new testament about 14 times, during a period of time I was in solitary confinement in 1982, I was in isolation at this period for 6 months, while reading the Bible I also practiced prayer and meditation, beside this I eat food and defecated, that was all that I did there was minimal contact with the outside world, eventually day obsorbed into night and night obsorbed into day, time stood still and it was here that I found confirmation of the word of Jesus and all that God has given us in writings.

So you see, anything you have to say about what is written in the Bible I have already heard it, and I hoped that this you could see, further I wsihed to point out to you that there was some thing much greater than the Holy Bible, it was at this point we lost communication, that is because you could not take that leap of faith and go beyond your intellect, at this point you could not hear anything I said, but indeed I was hearing you and I could see where you were standing, you can not see where I am standing because you have not been there and because you speak rather than listen and try to understand what I am saying by DIRECT EXPERIENCE.


--M. J. Young.......You have as much as said that my scholarly approach to the
> study of scripture is a waste of time and effort.

Ozay wrote.......You see you still cannot see clearly the meaning of what I say, again I will try to make it more clear. Yes read the Bible, then understand where it is directing you, then LET THE BIBLE GO and start walking, make the journey to yourself, you will never know god until you do this, the Bible has become your obstacle on that road, you have stayed on the bus instead of getting off at the arrival point.
TO be identifying as a scholar to have pride as a scholar is not what Jesus taught us.

--M. J. Young.......I have said that your subjectivity strikes me as a dangerous quicksand foundation for any
> assertion of knowledge of the truth. The outcome is we each discount
> most of what the other says,

Ozay wrote.......Again I will remind you about this what you call subjectivity which you still have not intergrated into your understanding, everything filtered through mind is subjective, THAT IS NUMBER ONE TRUTH, and here was the question that puts everything you understand into balance, and may I remind you, you still have not answered it because if you did that would mean you would have to step down in this discussion, and that question again I remind you is this:............. WHAT IS THE GREATER TRUTH.......BELIEF OF TRUTH?.........OR........KNOWING TRUTH? In this simple exercise of asking and answering these questions then you will know you have been on the wrong track all of your Christian life. And to come to this question and answer is no small task because you have built up your whole life, your whole personality and all its traits on the wrong system BELIEF OF TRUTH. THIS IS WHY IT IS YOU WHO HAS BUILT HIS HOUSE ON THE SAND, and many like you, I have come to help you and others, but if the intelligent cannot see these simple truths then what hope is there for the rest, I hope my energy is not wasted on you, I make effort for you to see this because you are misleading many with your mind frame..


--M. J. Young.......each having concluded that the other has
> not learned "enough" in a way that he finds reliable.

Ozay wrote.......It is like this, a teenager believes he has all the answers and everyone else is wrong they have a holier than thou attitude often, no one knows better than what they do.....Indeed this is correct for them, why? Because they have not experience life and the years of life to KNOW what grown ups know. Yet when they become grown up they have all but lost this attitude, because now they have experienced more of the truth in life and now are more enriched than they were when they were teenagers they look back and see how much they did not know, then they look in the here and now and think they know much more, then another tens years they look back ten years and say they know more now than they did ten years ago, and so we call this the egos way, because it does not allow you to learn outside of the boundary lines of pain, if you were free from this then you would listen to my words and question then understand then you would do the walking in the right direction, you would not argue with me but merely have a desire to find the truth it is the desire to maintain an identity that is the root cause of this artificial phenomena.


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--M. J. Young....... I teach a study via my cgg review group which carefully examines the
> meaning of the Greek words, the grammatical structure of the statements,
> the flow of the arguments presented in the New Testament books as
> written.

Ozay wrote........You spend so much time examining the meaning of a word yet how much time do you devout into understanding how you work, it is here that you fall short in this dicussion otherwise we would not have this trouble of communicating the truth, yes understand, but is an answer gives you 20 different interpretations it is time to stop then go inside and find the experience of the interpretations yourself, it is only this way will you move from beleif and into knowing, there are NO MORE ARGUMENTS, ARGUMENTS WILL ALWAYS HAPPEN WHEN YOU LIVE IN BELIEF.


--M. J. Young.......I think that you would have no interest in such a study; you
> would regard it a scholarly waste of time and effort, an attempt to
> obfuscate what the Bible really means.


Ozay wrote.......How many time must I tell you, still you revert back to this, your ideal, because it is you, you want everyone to become like this a scholar of belief. Each time I read the Bible right through out of the 7 I have mentioned above I came to a new understanding, the final time I read that bible I came to a complete understanding, that the Bible was not a story of just a singular race of chosen people, but rather it was a story of what goes on in one man, division, there is birth there is life there is death, but to see the whole Bible as a single life of a single person reflects that you have seen beyond division, if you are still reading the Bible you are still stuck in division, you see the truths are more subjective than you can even begin to imagine, if you cannot see I have gone beyond words, then again it is a reflection of where you stand on your journey, it also means with such stubborn attitude that I have to consider my purpose in all of this situation in life also, for my aim has been for a long time to end this division and secularism created by all these useless belief systems and bring humanity together, yet where it should be met with open arms it is met with fierce resistance, yes I understand why, and yes I understand the mechanics of why, yet ego is so strong the higher up the ladder of success that individuals are and it is with such people that trust of the many lie, you will walk away from this discourse and vindicate everything you have said because you are proud and stubborn to go any further than your mind and ego.


--M. J. Young....... I, on the other hand, regard it
> as the best way to determine what it is the Bible really says.

Ozay wrote.......So the whole aim of a scholars life is to understand ALL THE GREEK WORDS OF THE BIBLE, that says it all now doesn't it? There is what the words really say. How many of your Scholars have actually reached Saint hood? after all the Saints are the ones who are accepted as the ones that truly "KNOW" yet the scholars are the ones who tell you to BELIEVE them....?????? Do you see the pointlessness of your ergument, if you were a Saint I can tell you, you would see everything I am saying as the truth.



--M. J. Young.......I read your comments to me and they really come across as if you are claiming
> to be a prophet elevated above the Bible, that what you know you know
> because God told you directly, and you are certain that the Bible must
> agree with that knowledge even if in the view of those who have studied
> it carefully it says something different.

Ozay wrote.......Few of the scholars of the time of Jesus listened to what he had to say, indeed it was with the help of the scholars that Jesus was put up on the cross, and that is exactly what you are doing here...YOU WHO CLAIM TO BE KING OF THE JEWS. And many of the likes of such people wanted to stone him to death for speaking the truth, because Jesus's truth said there scholarly belief was wrong, as I am saying to you. You see for these people what I am saying and how I am saying it is arrogance beyond accepted belief, and for Jesus or anyone who has experienced this truth, it is just a "simple" truth, again your interpretation does not reflect where I stand or where I am coming from but your interpretation reflect where you are standing. There are however one or two things in the Bible that has been left out and slightly altered, you will not be able to see these things until you have gone inside yourself and identified the truth there to confirm the truth of the bible or to deny it, yet even here you will understand the reasonableness of why things have been changed, dues to ignorant understandings of the masses.


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--M. J. Young....... I would say that we are unable to communicate about the subject which is
> central to our discussion; it is probably not worth pursuing the
> discussion further.


Ozay wrote.......if you are only going to translate Greek words into English what good will that do my soul or yours? If you are only going to fill my head with data, what good is that for my heart or yours? If you are only going to be a scholar and a teacher what good is that for uniting me and you when one is less and the other is deemed higher, I Gods world the least will become the greater and the greater must become the least, it is here where more or less must be taken out of communication, when you speak truth I will be on that road because i was always on that road and waiting for you, but if it is about HOW much you know and how little I know, where is god and where is love inb all of this, and again if love is only interpretated in the mind there is no FEELING in that love what worth is this love to me, who has tasted the spark of divine love? Therefore who should be giving and who should be taking, who should be sharing? What stops this great love here?


Kindest regards
Ozay rinpoche