CONTINUED DISCUSSION WITH TEACHER OF CHRISTIAN TEACHERS

M. J. Young....... I certainly understand how you can perceive me as holding my position
> based on ego. It is, after all, how I perceive you--yet I have had the
> courtesy to take you as sincere in your beliefs, and believing that they
> are honestly held and based on good evidence.

Ozay wrote.........Did you not tell me that you were classed as intelligent at the beginning of this discourse?....... Hamish was travelling on a train next to a stern faced clergyman. As Hamish pulled out his bottle of whisky from his pocket, the clergyman glared and said reprovingly,"Look here I am 65 and never tasted whisky in my life!" "Dinna worry, Minister" smiled Hamish, pouring himself a dram "There's no risk of you starting now"

Sincere in my beliefs? Again I tell you I have no beliefs, still you hold onto this, and you have seen why it is incorrect to hold beliefs and still you hold and grovel this idea, how many times must I say this, and why do you still NOT HEAR THE WORDS OF TRUTH? I AM NOT THE TRUTH, THE TRUTH IS GREATER THAN ME, BUT I HAVE BEEN THE WAY OF THE TRUTH AND "I KNOW" I HAVE EXPERIENCED THE TRUTH IN MYSELF, YET 'I' THE EGO AM NOT THAT TRUTH.
Therefore do you not see how void your last sentence has become now? In-fact your whole base is built on this very weak foundation, you have no idea outside of belief, don't you see that Thomas was not one of Jesus's disciples for no reason Thomas represents symbolically mans need for truth, and "PROOF" not proof placed on fantasy(BELIEF), Peters child like faith held him well he was just a simple minded fisherman, today everyone has become psychologists and scientists, they do not have Peters simplistic mind ie a mind stuffed with facts figures data and knowledge, everyone has taken a bigger amount of fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, the Naive are no longer able to maintain belief as they once did the naive hardly exist anymore, and because they are no longer naive, and if they do it in this old system then they have to defend fiercely with useless information that does not stand its ground in the light of todays knowledge and science this means the time has come that everyone may have full truth or they will fall away from their faith in Christ and eventually the teaching of Christ will become weaker, I was in London when the Pope came recently and there has never been such a low turn out, not only that there were lots of protesters against the Pope, you are a teacher and have an important role to play, if you cannot understand what I am saying then how much hope is there for the Church of Christ, or Peter?


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M. J. Young....... You will of course object to my use of the word "evidence"; but one of
> my degrees is in law (the doctorate), and so I use the word "evidence"
> to mean "that which supports what we conclude to be the truth". That
> is, I have evidence that my wife exists, because I have met her. I have
> evidence that God exists, because I have met Him.

Ozay wrote.......There can be "NO EVIDENCE WHERE THERE IS NO ABILITY TO PROVE THAT EVIDENCE" otherwise how can it be evidence? I have that ability but you do not and neither does anyone you know, otherwise the truth can be distorted outside of recognition as it has been done with the Christian faith, "20 CHOICES OF EVIDENCE TO CHOSE FROM" In a court of law if this was the case the whole thing would be thrown out as insufficient proof.

You call this, the way of truth? I call this chaos and random confusion and the beginning of the end of Christianity as you know it. What do you chose to conclude to be the truth? and how do you know if you are right or if you are wrong. 20 choices remember.....You have not even learned to question the way to the truth, you accept what fits your 'BELIEF' and your 'EGO' 'BELIEVES' 'YOU' are correct, yet this 'BELIEF' and the corner stone it is built on begins from your need to create your identity as a person, your personality, how 'YOU' 'THINK' how 'YOU' are percieved, how 'YOU' 'THINK' 'OTHERS' perceive 'YOU'. How can you build truth from this falsity? For many my words ring true, but you who class yourself as intelligent have become in this discourse highly unintelligent due to the fact that by accepting this truth that I speak of that everything you have become will have to go, 'YOU' and what 'YOU' 'THINK' 'YOU' are will have to commit a suicide, that is all your 'BELIEFS' will have to die. That is the meaning to dieing to self and being born again, that is the false representation of who 'YOU' 'THINK' 'YOU' are will go, will be gone, it is a great sacrifice, and you think that holding on to the HOLY Bible makes that you are a 'HOLY' man it is quite the contrary, it has made you even more of a liar to your true self, and by that God.


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M. J. Young....... So I extend to you the courtesy of accepting that your beliefs are
> honestly held and not arrogantly defended for the sake of your ego. Yet
> you insult me with every letter with the claim that what I "know" is not
> honestly held but is simply a defense of my own ego.

Ozay wrote.......You extend no courtesy to 'ME' That 'ME' you talk about is what you have created in 'YOUR MIND' that 'ME' is also a 'LIE' the truth is beyond what your 'BELIEF' has created, my ego had to stand down in order to see this "TRUTH", yours is having great difficulty. My ego is a tool that I have to use in order that others may find the way to that "TRUTH", and the truth does not have to be defended, if the truth had to be defended then it cannot be a defence of the truth, because the truth will always be there, and the truth will always be unchangeable, even though man may change from age to age, he may change his belief from age to age, but the truth will be the same now as it was in the beginning as it will be in the end, it is only the 'MIND' of man who 'THINKS' it changes, it is an ignorant society that cannot see this simple truth which is above and beyond the ego mind of mankind, I have seen this and you have not.
Further, it is only your ego that can make you FEEL insult, when there is NO EGO THERE IS NO INSULT and there is no block to seeking the truth, the block being your 'BELIEF' unreal hold on reality, for words are just words, they are of mind stuff, unreal, and ego is of mind stuff, unreal, if one 'BELIEVES' this mind stuff to be real, then it is INSULT, then it is HURT, then it is ANGER, and then it is EVIL, and therefore it speaks that you are egoistically orientated, and not truth orientated, that is just fact that only you can change the outcome of, you have been conditioned like all others to 'BELIEVE' your ego is real, here lies the cause to all suffering.


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M. J. Young....... How egotistical is that?

Ozay wrote.......Read my last sentence again...... if you dare.

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M. J. Young....... I will continue to give you the courtesy of responding to your letters,
> if you insist on sending them.

Ozay wrote.......Why? your ego has been defeated, and what we have left is defence mechanisms, now the mind considers it has a moral duty to respond, but in truth it is just a façade, just a play in order to make you feel good about you, that you are doing a morally correct thing, it is just a play.

M. J. Young.......Your arguments, however, have no
> foundation I can recognize and accept (they are entirely based on your
> own claimed experiences, which run counter both to my own experiences
> and the experiences the Bible teaches me to expect).

Ozay wrote.......I have "NO ARGUMENTS", 'I' have stood down for the truth to take first place, 'I' have no say in the presence of truth, or god, 'I' am just the servant, if there is an argument then it is only one way, it comes from 'YOU' The experiences I have gone through are exactly the same as Jesus Christ, and the experiences you are going through are the same experiences that those Jews and Romans went through who executed Jesus, it was done holding a book in there hands they also 'BELIEVED' they also 'JUDGED' and everything they did was measured from the 'BOOK' of law, they did not understand the book Jesus spoke of was the book of the heart, the book of the self, it was an experience of the self which any man who experiences can be left in no doubt anymore in his life what that truth is, THAT IS:"HE IS THE TRUTH" and that will be the same for all human being who can get their head out of books, out of judging, out of belief, and into truth and unity. 20 stories makes 20 sides makes 20 wars. One story "TRUTH" makes one side, wholeness makes LOVE AND UNITY. And you will still have the arrogance to argue the toss with the truth as it is? 'I' cannot argue with that, therefore how can 'YOU'?


M. J. Young.......Thus unless you
> can turn yourself into a scholar capable of presenting sound biblical
> exegesis in support of your gospel (which is not Paul's gospel, and he
> gave strict warnings about accepting any gospel other than the one he
> preached), I think you are wasting your time and mine.

Ozay wrote.......2000 year old writings, Roman intervention to change what people 'BELIEVE' so that they can have "CONTROL" Politics and Bible have gone hand in hand, if the scholar is truly a scholar should he not also have integrated this into his scholarship? If not then it is a very select scholarship, which in effect means it is "NOT A TRUE SCHOLARSHIP" it does not cover everything, and yet again I will tell you god cannot be found in the book, the book is a map, it is not god, you cannot know god from a book you can only travel that road it points out. You "TAKE PRIDE IN YOUR SCHOLARSHIP" and yet it states man shall not be proud and boastful, and it is such that will be brought to their knees, your pride in your scholarship will get bigger and bigger the more you can convince that scholarship is the way, but I tell you this, it is only by becoming STILL that you can know God and the divine love that this unwraps from the veils of mind, hence if mind is forever thinking then the heart does not become unwrapped, therefore there can be no experience outside of 'BELIEF' that is a fact. You know this as well as I do, but still your ego does not stand down.
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